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Daryl Ehret · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Loveland, CO

I've had a few blacks, but Dora was the only SOLID http://www.ehretgsd.com/dora4347.jpg and she produced SOLID (no white markings, no color between the toes)
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Pharaoh · Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject:

Julie Marlow · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 1334 Location: Washington

Okay Michele so when do we get to see some pictures of him?? You really need to show him off more Wink

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Daryl Ehret · Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Loveland, CO

Here's a link to a conversation on another forum where the topic of blacks come into play, and how mistakenly believed a bicolor had been born from two blacks. There's also a couple of pics of a very discolored "genetic" black, that could potentially be mistaken for a bicoloor.

www.germanshepherds.com/forum
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altostland · Site Admin Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 788 Location: Texas

It's very comical to me that we call sables "red", "silver", or "black" sables. I'm not poking fun, just making an observation, becasue I use the term black sable too. AKC only recognizes SABLE (period). And in Germany, to the best of my knowledge there's no red sable, silver sable, or black sable that I've ever found articulated on their papers. They normally classify them according to how DARK they are, then they may comment on markings. You'll see grau (gray), dunkel grua (dark gray) or tief dunkel grau (deep dark gray) which is what I think most people (including me) consider a "black sable" - the really dark ones that are black-factored. I'm thinking that short of DNA, the only way to know for certain if your dark sable is black-factored (black recessive) is to breed to a black or another known black-factored sable and see if they throw blacks??
Now back to the discussion about the lighter markings on blacks...
Spence, I think the easiest way to deal with this is to do exactly as you said - advertise them as black, and before sealing the deal, make sure they know that sometimes a dog can develop minimal markings like that. Seems quite simple and final to me (I almost said black and white Twisted Evil

). Nowhere in my contract or guarantee will I ever guarantee a color, and will not even dream of replacing a black pup that develops a little tan between the toes. But then my program has not been aimed at producing a certain color. I've bought black dogs, and found that marking on them... didn't matter a lick to me.
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Kelly · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 808 Location: Michigan

This sure became an interesting subject Smile

Nice to hear everyone's opinions on this Smile

For myself I'm still going to do the look over on the black pups to make sure they don't have another color and then I will register them as an all black if their color hasn't changed. I will tell people that it could change a little down the road. When I got Zavien from Kraftwerk he was all black and hasn't changed, but when Arro was born he did have a white patch on his chest and 1 toe. He now has 11 tiny white hairs on his chest that you can't see unless you look for them and no white hairs on his toes. Since I am keeping Arro I will see if it changes or not. As far as DNA goes I am like Spence. I would get lost in it. I've only had 1 pup that I called all black that ended up with deep dark brown marking on his back legs.
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