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Torva · Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 28 Location: Texas, Austin

I was just wondering if everyone knows about how fast BSL(breed specific legislation) is moving across America and the world. This sadly involves GSDs and many other breeds...it really makes me grr Evil or Very Mad

...heres a link of states thinking about it or have already passed restrictions http://www.rott-n-chatter.com/rottweilers/laws/breedspecific.html and a video about it ...the video might make you tear up(beware) Sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ghIbxycynQ
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Kelly · Joined: 08 Jul 2007 Posts: 804 Location: Michigan

I can honestly say I didn't realize how fast it was moving Embarassed

I'm glad it isn't in my area as of yet. It also makes me upset and angry because it's the owner's faults for not taking the responsibility to properly train and socialize their dog's. That is what makes a dog go bad. That is JMO.
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owenfw · Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 19

I generally think laws like this are pretty stupid, but I'm having a strange moment of reflection. I mean, I have no doubt that the actual laws they're coming up with are horrible, but in principle, I could see an argument for something like this (although maybe not targeting certain breeds). I just find such an overwhelming percentage of dog owners so hopelessly inept at owning and caring for their dogs, not to mention protecting others from them. Just look at how overwhelmed all the shelters constantly are. I'd say about half of the pet dogs I know are not animals I will let my young children around even when their owners are there. I wouldn't want to see a breed being banned because of stupid, reckless owners, but I could definitely see some sort of simple licensing being required. Like a hunter safety license or something where at the very least you can establish that the person isn't a criminal or crazy and has some vague idea about the consequences of their actions, and during the licensing process the person is exposed to some basic information about being a responsible participant in the activity. I bet a big part of the pit bull etc. problems would disappear pretty quickly if CGC/BH were required for all breeding stock.

Anyway, I really hope the canine-fancier community can come up with some voluntary solutions that resonate with people, because my gut feeling is that as our population continues to increase and our population ages, eventually most cities will be forced to come down harder and harder on dog owners because of the 5% bad owners and 90% careless owners.

I think what Kelly said is our usual reaction:it's the owners, not the dogs that are the problem. So let's ban certain breeds of owners!

Okieamazon · Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Oklahoma

Here! Here! Ban (FINE/JAIL) the owners! We just had an animal control rodeo in my neighborhood Saturday. We always have to scan the street before taking our dogs out to the truck or letting them to go back in the house.

Saturday we came home from tracking a couple of dogs and when I got out to scan the street, here came the FOUR pits that live on the corner down the street....with our next door neighbor's little chihuahua in the big males' mouth! Evil or Very Mad

I yelled and ran at him and he dropped him and ran home. Unfortunately, the little guy was drawing his agonal breaths.
I called AC and they came out and hauled the lot off. Big deal. They'll just get more f'n dogs and raise and "confine" them the same way. At the same time, the little Chi SHOULD'NT HAVE BEEN OUT TO BE KILLED!!!!! So, they are as guilty. I knew the poor little farts' luck would run out eventually.

Torva · Joined: 18 Mar 2008 Posts: 28 Location: Texas, Austin

I agree that it is irressponsible owners to blame, I have seen many, many good APBTs,Rotts,Dobies and GSDs but I have also seen some bad ones (which were usually the ones locked in the backyard their whole life) Evil or Very Mad

But for the most part the people trying to pass these laws dont care for the responsible owners all they see is another "Aggressive" breed. These are the people that watch the news and see "GSD attacks again!" and freak, thinking all GSDs are vicious animals even if it was only the second "attack" that had happen in 5 years Rolling Eyes

. Sadly the majority think like this Sad

which makes it very difficult when fighting for your beloved family member.
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Anja08 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Maine

Hi,
Im new to this board but not new to dealing with BSL. Unfortunatly is it starting to run rampad around the country. Most people aren't even aware it is happening in there area and it passed all to easily.

Bull and chatter is a great place to start ! there are so many places to get information from.

The best way to stop BSL is to get involved. Writting letters against BSL and spreading the word is the best way to help. Too many people sit back and egnor whats happening to our rights as responsible owners are being taken away because of a few irresponsible owners. We need to stand up and right for our rights.

Most BSL is backed by AR groups who would like nothing better then for no one to own a dog, cat ect.

I have to head out the door right now but I can list a bunch of good sites that will give info on what to do. Believe me, it happens in all states and the more people who are aware, the more who can fight it.

No dog deserves to be neglected or abused, but banning breeds does not solve any problems. Its a bandade. OH I could go on and on !....lol...

Gisela · Joined: 08 Feb 2007 Posts: 1770 Location: Houston, TX

One of the main reasons it scares me is that it can open the door for almost any breed. Including (and apparently in some countries already affecting) my favorite breed the Border Collie. Actually, it seems that many of the herding breeds are in the category of potential victims for BSL.
I know with a lot of the dogs I encounter that it is rarely the dog unless it is in the wrong circumstance. My lifestyle would not suit many breeds. And I know this. Would I persue these breeds I would probably set myself and them up for failure.
BSL is not the answer in my eyes. However, something sure does need to be done in the near future to do the breeds justice.
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Sarah · Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 108 Location: Atlanta

I hate that dogs are so popular. I think th popularity of dogs is their greatest downfall. A dog, canine, is an animal. I wont say "wild animal" as they are domesticated, but it is the same concept. Imagine if everyone got the idea to own bears, if it became this huge tradition and the classic backdrop of an american family was one that included a bear. OF COURSE people would start dying and the animals would be destroyed because only a select few in the country know how to REALLY care for, train and handle a bear, right? It's the same concept with dogs. They are animals and very few people know or care about just how much knowlege, skill, understanding and instinct it takes to properly care for this animal. So when they don't have a clue, dogs start acting like wild dogs and people get hurt, dogs get hurt, we are overrun by puppies and everyone suffers.

I wish this animal we all devote our lives to were only a fashion to those of us that are willing to put forth the time and effort that is NECESSARY for the health, sanity and safety of everyone involved.

There would be no BSL if everyone put the energy forth, or if dogs weren't so fashionable.

Anja08 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Maine

Sarah,
SO TRUE ! way too many people out there that don't have a clue about dog behavior or what their dogs needs are. Nor can I understand how "breeders", and I say that loosly, don't take the time to match up there pups with the right owners.

Instead of holding the owners responsible, they punish everyone. Makes no sence to me.

Education, low cost spay/nueter and inforcing the laws that exist would really cut down on the problems. Holding the owners responsible for their actions but some don't see it that way. They think a ban will fix the problem and is doesn't.

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Anja08 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Maine

Here are some good websites about BSL and how to fight it.

http://www.dogwatch.net/

http://www.capwiz.com/naiatrust/home/

http://www.adoa.org/

http://www.forpitssake.org/

http://www.animallaw.info/index.htm

http://www.canineadvocatesofohio.org/

http://www.dogpolitics.com/

A place to look up laws in your state

http://www.hsus.org/pets/ - AR group

Info on Peta and AR groups

http://www.pathwai.org/

http://www.activistcash.com/index.cfm

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2371

Sarah · Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 108 Location: Atlanta

I think mandatory spay/neuter laws aren't particularly "free" but absolutely necessasary when an emergency CRISIS is going on like we are experiencing here. Americans will NEVER agree to such a thing because we LOVE to breed our sick, mutated pets for money.

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Anja08 · Joined: 09 Apr 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Maine

The AR groups have and are proposing manditory spay/neuter around the country. Its the beinging of the end. They will keep trying to chip away at our rights as dog owners. They wont stop until they get their way, total animal liberation !

Yes I do agree that 98% of people shouldnt be breeding. I cringe every time I read a paper with all the puppy sales out there. Something needs to be done but what?

In these proposals, they make it VERY HARD for hobby breeders to breed while it allows the big puppy mills to continue. Supply and demand will never stop and there will always be some puppy mill or BYB out there breeding.

The public needs far more education about were to buy there next pup/dog.

In a perfect world, the only ones breeding would be those who do health/temperment tests and put titles on their dogs.

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Okieamazon · Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 34 Location: Oklahoma

AKC should take the lead in this. After all, almost ALL those true "puppy mill" puppies are AKC registered.